Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Hybrids, Diesels, and etc

Hybrids - The one of the biggest sellers in the US markets with people spending a little more on the sticker price to save money at the pumps. Even with high gas prices, americans are using more gasoline then ever, I could have told you that, Gas prices hit $3.00 plus for Regular gas after Katrina hit the gulf coast and now they are at $1.95-$2.30+ a gallon, depending on the day. What about a diesel hybrid? 2005 Mercury Meta One Concept..... and the Honda Civics best friend Phill?, and Hydrogen......

Hydrogen: with an Article Called The Politics of Fuel, the article published on Autoblog has a picture of George W. Bush pumping hydrogen at a station. read it. (

Plus Natural Gas vehicle: Something different, how about filling up your Honda Civic GX Natural-Gas Vehicle at home with a compact home refueling station called Phill, did a story on it.

Or Mercury answer, The 2005 Mercury Meta One Concept, the world's first PZEV-capable diesel hybrid. Perfect. Other Diesels are coming out including the 2006 Jeep Liberty Diesel and a couple others.

Others: Bio diesel fuel, Ethanol (E85) that uses only 15% Gasoline, there are a couple more too….

But hybrids are what we have available now.. the 2006 Ford Excape Hybrid/Mercury Mariner Hybrid, the Toyota Camry hybrid, the first hybrid vehicle to be assembled in the U.S. , 2006 Highland Hybrid, Nissan Altima, and the most popular Toyota Prius Hybrid, and with more coming soon…
"My Take" This is just a couple of hybrids above, but car makers are using what we have, thats gasoline and diesel, Mercury should make a diesel hybrid, what about E85 (Ethonel) with only 15% gasoline and selling for a little less at pumps for Fuel Flex Vehicles. The future is going to have to be renewable sources, Natural-Gas with home refueling if you have a natural-gas line going into your home is available now with Phill (I like phill, that's not a bad idea), but its going to hydrogen, GM has the right idea in that market to start with and some stations have hydrogen already in stock and selling to consumers for $4.75 a kilogram, which is equal to a gallon of gas, but can travel a car twice as far, thats better than you think. Basicly, get hydrogen made & selling, along with hydrogen vehicles. Gasoline with never go away, not atleast for the next 100 years.

What does everybody think?

Brian Vermette


Blogger carscomblogger said...

probably a lot of things we're not smart enough to comment on. I think clean diesel should be available here more readily. But americans got burned by diesel before so they might have a hard time accepting it again.

Otherwise hybrid technology makes the most sense. hydrogen is just super expensive. doesn't work with current engine technology etc. we'll be on gas for a long time. But even an aftermarket air filter and little things can help you get better fuel economy. manufacturers could make those upgrades but they don't.

4:57 PM  
Blogger Big Ford Fan said...

Brian, good post to start off with. I'm a big fan of Diesels, even though I've never actually driven one (how stupid does that sound?) and a Diesle Hybrid does sound like a logical step forward, but I've read that it's not as practical. Diesels already get better fuel economy than their Petrol brothers.

My dream is of Hydrogen Internal Combustion Engines. But until then, I feel a combination of Hybrid/Gasoline, Diesel and smaller Gasoline engines utilizing Direct Injection and Turbocharging, as well as the new "Camless" engines I first read about on AutoBlog will all be good steps for the future.

"Clean" Diesel is mandated to apear in the near future, and with the European love of Diesels and their strict new emisions standards, it makes sense that the first Diesels will be of European manufacture. Bio Diesel seems like a no brainer for the US, we have the land and technologies to make it work, we need the investment in infrastructure. Everything I've read indicates that it burns cleaner than Petrolium Diesel and there are no major drawbacks.

I hope everyone had a great holiday and look forward to interacting on this new blog.
Thanks Dave,

12:05 PM  
Blogger Racedriven said...

Just a thought: I have never driven a hybrid nor a diesel. I love the idea of both, the biggest thing is hydrogen, that is most likely the best in my opinion. If a station in the US can pump and sell hydrogen, thats a great start.

Will we (U.S. and the World) run out of oil/gasoline in 20 to 30 years? "My Take" I am not an expert, so I have no idea.

12:24 PM  
Blogger Mitch said...

According to an Economics professor that I listened to once, we will never run out of gasoline (supply & demand will take care of itself).

Regarding diesel, I do own one and really enjoy it. Granted, it's a 3/4 ton pickup, but I am getting better gas mileage than I have with previously owned 1/2 ton gas pickups. Plus, the added benefit of tons of torque for pulling my camper and other things.

It's my opinion that the gov't "must" assist in any future infrastructure that would be needed for hydrogen-fueled vehicles.

I really think this topic should be discussed in more depth with "major" imput from the general public.

3:00 PM  
Blogger Big Ford Fan said...

Question for Racedriven, I've never been able to get MPG figures for Diesels, what kind of milage would you say you get on average?

Mitch, I agree with you on the government involvement in infrastructure. I recently read an op/ed piece on a possible fuel tax, the author suggesting that the money be used to prop up Social Security. I wouldn't agree with that use of the funds, but if the government put all of the money toward R&D and infrastructure of alternative fuels, such as Hydrogen, I could see a temporary tax for a period of say 5-10 years.

5:33 AM  
Blogger Racedriven said...

big ford fan: I don't own a diesel.

For MPG on any gasoline, diesel, or anything else is avalible at . Example: On the fueleconomy website, the 2004 Volkswagen Touareg, the gasoline verison with 8cyl. gets 14 city 18 highway/MPG with Premium fuel, the diesel with 10cyl. gets 17 city 23 highway.

Check it out..

6:57 AM  
Blogger Dorri732 said...

big ford fan said:
"My dream is of Hydrogen Internal Combustion Engines."

The real problem with hydrogen is that it takes more energy to split the H2 from the O2 in water than you can ever get back by recombining (burning)them. That's not where we get most of our hydrogen from, although it's what most people think. About 95% of the H2 used today is stripped off of natural gas. Guess what? Natural gas is just another fossil fuel.

"Everything I've read indicates that it burns cleaner than Petrolium Diesel"

Clean diesel is made from petroleum, just like regular diesel, it just has a lower sulfur content.

mitch said:
"According to an Economics professor that I listened to once, we will never run out of gasoline (supply & demand will take care of itself)."

Using enough of the world's supply of gasoline that what is left is unaffordable is just as bad as "runnig out of gas". That being said, I don't think any of us will see it in our lifetime.

I still want in on this blog, who do I talk to?

Dorri Williams

4:11 AM  
Blogger carscomblogger said...

I'm waiting until the original slew of invites get accepted before I add new folks. You're next on the list.

5:15 AM  
Blogger Dorri732 said...

mphmag said:
" But even an aftermarket air filter and little things can help you get better fuel economy. manufacturers could make those upgrades but they don't."

The manufacturers do the best they can within the constraints they work in.

When Joe Consumer puts a K&N air filter on his new Mustang, he probably does see an improvement in gas mileage. What he doesn't see, but is still there is the increase in intake noise that that filter causes. This is even more the case with cold air intakes.

This increase in intake noise would have caused ford to have to make the exhaust quieter. This would probably offset the increase in fuel economy the intake gave.

6:08 AM  

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